Dialogues   2  

© Dave Mason : entire contents : Shoreham by Sea , UK , 2008

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Here are more dialogues that shed light on how Praxis works.  As before, the identities of those concerned are hidden, the text tidied up but all the spirit retained.

 

Index

The God Word

Back seat drivers

Down through the layers

Mystery to mystery

Energy movement

Seeing who we are

What is Deeper?

Everything you need is already present

Others

Feelings Disappear

What does it all mean ?

 


 

The God word


Q

I know that God exists, because I have heard the song of His
. .  presence from all the treetops of creation.
(  Ben Zion Bokser  )

 

A

The trouble with a lot of 'looking for God quests', is we are really looking for Dad.  We look for Mum in different ways.  I have never looked at a tree and thought, hmmm, God must have made that.   I have waited for him/her in quiet places and he/she did not come.   When I gave up looking for him/her and went to deeper quieter places I found neither god nor not-god.   But that 3-letter word just won't do it for me, too much baggage.   Love the art though, the poems, the paintings, the candles.

 


Q

For me, God, Truth, Love, Consciousness, are all interchangeable.  The poem speaks of the unnameable, that which we can never know, the 'increasing mystery'.  I have never looked at a tree and thought 'god made that', but I have looked many times and thought 'where did that tree come from?' 'how was it made?' 'who or what created it?'  I have looked at the beauty of an animal running, or a sunrise, or a newborn babe and wondered at it all.  And it is all 'god'.

 

A

My approach has been a bit different.   I have always loved reading God-based writings, Rumi drives me wild !  But I cannot use the word, to myself or others, without it evoking too much of the negative side of religion.

This has been a consistent experience for me for nearly 30 years now  -  when I talk to people about feelings and self exploration, the conversation always opens up.   As soon as God is used as a way of exploring, the conversation never goes much further.   Most people use God as an "arrival", they no longer need to stay watchful, a whole realm of feelings remain round the bend in the road they have stopped walking along.  I have met some lovely god-fearers who are a power for good in the world; but at the end of the day, their needs got in the way.   These are (were) smart people, intuitive, wise even but the one thing they would not or could not look at is their "need" for god, or, their love for god. It is my experience that to open our hearts, everything must be looked at and looked at all the time.   Years ago I asked myself, am I truly opening to the experience, or seeking comfort?   I watched both like a hawk and the seeking comfort fell away taking the word god with it.

 

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Back Seat Drivers

 

Q

All of this means that, for the foreseeable future and possibly indefinitely, (as in my experience, once a  "no", this means always no), romantically, I'm moving on.  There will be no more intimacy and developing of a romantic relationship between us.  All in all, I'm very much relieved that our friendship is not in jeopardy, but thriving in adversity.

 

A

The human heart is like a new country
we all think we have been there
but it's always new and different.
You see that hill over there?
No one
and I mean no one
knows what's on the other side . . . . . .

 


Q

There's a conflict in me.  My feelings say 'sit tight and ride it all out', because she otherwise treats me extremely well; all the important things are there between us.  My experience says, 'don't hold your breath for a possible tomorrow'.  Powerful voices colliding, confusing stuff.  Uncertainty is about the toughest thing I know of to deal with.

 

A

Most of our internal voices come from childhood.  Many sound so grown up but on closer examination they are 4 or 5 year olds.  Once this is seen, a problem can emerge, they may be 4 or 5 but they are very powerful and should be shown respect.  Think of them as real children that must not be patronised but given gentle caring help.   In the same way that you would look after a child but not always do what that child demands (to eat all that cake until sick), so the voices must be heeded and not oppressed. Eventually, they will find their own level in the back of the bus, they become back seat drivers.  You do not need to trace the exact childhood origins of each voice (unless you are in therapy, when it may be essential),  It is the same caring parent-like attitude to each that will see you through.

If you find yourself angry with one or some (voice and aspect) then you cannot be an arbitrator between them, (like you might when looking after 2 or 3 kids at the same time).  You manifest the caring parent attitude to deal with the voices but when the urge comes to act, to intervene and resolve the "dispute" , then you must also watch that part that wants to act.  It is, of course, just another part of you, another voice, another aspect, another back seat driver.  Just watch that too.  Remember: certainty and uncertainty are both pictures that your mind paints.  Through constancy, the watching, you get to see that which drives them "underneath".  When watched fully, the drivers underneath will emerge.

 


Q

I don't know how to help them.  I see in me the same lack of patience with "them" as I do with real 5-6 year olds, with their "driving" and demand.  I've been very angry with "them" lately.  I am starting to feel quite nutty, again, with all these conflicting voices and feelings.  It feels like I am starting all over again from the beginning with this watching thing and it feels futile.

 

A

Kids get angry with themselves, it's not the getting angry, it's the speed they let go that should be noted.  They can do this because they have not yet invested so much. Somewhere along the line you (and me) invested in the needs the voices go on and on about.  That's ok, as long as we can see ourselves doing it and own it.  If through Constancy, you can "see" this investment as it happens, it's power to drive you lessens, you get back in the driving seat of the bus.  All those voices go back to the back seats where they belong.   Remember; when watching these voices, from time to time, ask, "who's watching the voices?"


who is watching . . . .
these back seat drivers are doing all the talking
lots of needs being expressed
but who's watching it all ?

 


Q

So far all I see is anger, lots of anger, mostly directed "out there" at the how and why of what we do. I have seen this pour out lately in my writing.  It feels "foreign" but I suspect that is because I haven't noticed it before now.

 

A

The feeling that the anger is "foreign" is important, it means that a part of you is already starting to see what is "underneath".  Keep the focus on the anger, it may get stronger and more weird before you see what's 'underneath'.   The anger cannot be put aside or bypassed - the only way is through.  It is the body-energy in the anger that can be scary, that, and not knowing what you might do.  A watched anger WILL change, you will se what is underneath, you are close.  It is the body-energy in the anger that can be scary, that, and not knowing what you might do but a watched anger WILL change.  You will see what is underneath.

 

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Down through the layers

 

Q

There is a new feeling about my anger, but it doesn't accompany anger when it comes up.   I have been angry at society - including religion, government, etc.  Because humanity is suffering and society, through it's methodologies, is perpetuating the unnecessary sufferings, there's always going to be suffering. Always.

There's something else now, that shows that anger as not being so noble and selfless after all.  It makes too much sense though, this newer "feeling".  Too much logic in it.   I don't know if this new-something is really a feeling, or a feeling-fortified-thought.  These angers are some muddy waters.

 

A

" a feeling-fortified-thought. " . . . . . 

When Constancy takes root, the thoughts and feelings can flow very fast and be all jumbled up, so much so, that it becomes impossible to tell them apart.   Rather, it would take to long.   When this happens I call the resulting porridge a "symphony".  You can hear the orchestra but it's hard to tell the individual instruments.   If you were in therapy, you would have to work on teasing out the individual strands.   With Constancy, you do not have to.   Just watch the whole symphony like a hawk. It will eventually slow down and one of 2 things will happen.   The main strands will start to stand out - or - you will jump straight to the layer "underneath".  This may be another symphony, and could be one that is more weird.   As you move down through the layers they become harder to describe but more powerfully present.   Eventually, the feelings themselves show the way.

 


Q

" . . . . that it becomes impossible to tell them apart"

Yep, confusing at times.

"they become harder to describe but more powerfully present."

Are you hinting at the approach of "Edge" and-beyond feelings?   I have felt a little of that "pressure" lurking here and there with this jumbled-thoughts-and-feelings going on.

 

A

"are you hinting . . "

Yes.

As you go down through the layers some Edge feelings start to filter in.   They can be very subtle but when they start to come stronger it can make Constancy even tougher.  It is important to stick to the spirit of Constancy.  Not matter how interesting or full of "meaning" Edge feelings might be, don't let them distract you.   Edge feelings can be fascinating (and fun) as well as weird and perhaps scary but they are always ambiguous.  Keep the Constancy sharp and when the deeper "true" feelings come there will be no doubt, there will be certainty, diamond like.

When the deeper true feeling have come and then gone, your mind will rush in and explain and worry and fantasise over what has happened.  Constancy once again hits a new place of importance.  Watch the mind do its stuff and eventually ALL feelings will come and go smoothly.  When all this is happening smoothly you won't need any more words from me.  Your own feelings will show the way.

 

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from mystery to mystery . . . .

I posted this:

"The myriad of named things
spring from an inexhaustible matrix,
these point beyond themselves
to the all encompassing unity.

The enigma of things deepens
into the fathomless beyond,
from mystery to mystery is the gateway
into the streaming wonder of existence".
( Lao Tzu ).

There is a huge teaching here.
Really big, one of the biggest.

"from mystery to mystery is
the gateway . . . "

Not, the gateways (plural) are found in mystery to mystery
but
IS
the gateway.

We have to turn our face into the wind,
and keep it there . . .

 


Q

Thanks Dave, I needed to read this today.

"but
IS
the gateway."

I was beginning to wonder (and fret).  Mystery to mystery  -   this one seems more easily felt than some.  For me, things get blurry though when Lao Tzu comes to the "fathomless beyond" and "gateway into the streaming wonder of existence" .

I don't know anything about any gateway.  I am none the wiser to existence.

 

A

Not arrival but travelling.   One mystery becomes known and in so doing, opens up to the next mystery.  Feelings are layered.  You fully open to one feeling set by watching it like a hawk, and in so doing, a deeper feeling or feeling set is revealed.  This process is followed, into the beyond.   So , "is the gateway" one gateway he says not many, not one for each mystery but one gateway.  This is not about accumulating solutions (to mystery after mystery), though we do that anyway, it is about what you bring to it.

Your attitude.

Your attitude is the gateway and this, to, becomes apparent as you watch the mystery/s, AND, the person who does the watching.

Don't ask "have I got the right attitude?"

Watch the attitude you have, it will eventually reveal something deeper and deeper
and on
and
on

 


Q

Watching this attitude about everything just a few minutes, I see now how it is a gateway, everything is right there at the thresh-hold.  It's a bit confusing though, how interconnected all those strings of feeling are.  I can see why they are called mysteries, knowing now that - contrary to how I've always accepted feelings - there are more underneath than the one that usually evokes the "ok that's how I feel"..

I never thought to gauge attitude, never put it together.  That one word - attitude - has me looking in a whole new way and it's not near as elusive as watching thoughts alone - which is all I've been doing, really - because these feelings just inside the gate are very powerful.  Hard to watch all those branches/strings of feelings and watch the watcher at the same time.  When 'awaking' to watching the watcher, that new watcher now becomes the first watcher, and then again over, and again over, and again over  -  that's what it feels like anyway.  When I start watching the watcher, the first watcher vanishes and then new one take his place.. and then shortly thereafter I 're-awake' to watching the watcher, and it goes all over again  -  infinite watchers it seems.  I don't know who all these watchers are if they can vanish just like that, when a new one starts watching the old one.

 

A

"I 're-awake' to watching the watcher, and it goes all over again.. infinite watchers it seems . . "   Your mind makes it seem like there are multiple watchers, but this is because your attention ebbs and flows. It could also be characterised as a pulse . . . sometimes fast (coming back to attention fast), sometimes slow (long periods of low attention).   You have now seen that it is so difficult to watch with 100% looking, 100% of the time, that attitude becomes more important here.   Even if your attention falters (or pulses) your intention does not.  You are always returning to the watching.  Your attention (the act of watching) and your intention (the attitude of watching, or the determination to watch) are thus linked and build each other's intensity.

Something else here: if you re-read your entry above, what comes out?  I saw a part of your mind looking for a way out.   There are parts of your mind that have their own motives.   That's ok, back seat drivers in the bus, they never go completely.  They sometimes get stronger when you approach a new place . . . .

 


Q

Right now it seems impossible to watch 100% of the time.  I remember you saying once, and again right now, that the intention of watching is just as important as the watching itself.  I know the intention is there because I 're-awake' very often.  The frequency of that "re-awaken"-ing has been increasing exponentially, lately.

OK, I had a different meaning in mind for attitude I think.  I was thinking of it as attitude in life, in general, not really as in intention of watching. I see how you are meaning it now though.

Hmmm. . . . . .looking for a way out.  Do you mean this: "and I don't know who all these watchers are if they can vanish just like that, when a new one starts watching the old one." ??

"they sometimes get stronger when you approach a new place . . . ."

More cunning at the least, I'd say  but I don't know one place from the other; location is a fuzzy thing these days.

It is fascinating to watch how my mind is trying to latch onto that and spin this "new place" thing it right now.   It really loves references to location.

 

A

Looking for an out was more an overall impression. The mind is always looking for a way out; mine is anyway.

The attitude to watching and the attitude to life in general overlap eventually and become the same thing.

It would be safe bet to say the mind gets more cunning, but only in certain directions. When your attention broadens out and the mind looses its centre-stage position, it's tactics become more apparent.   You can see this now but the mind's antics still surprise you.  They won't always.  When the mind looses some of its power of censorship and interpretation, then some of the deeper feelings really begin to take off, slow and subtle at first, then leaving doubt behind to mumble in the back seats.

 

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Energy movement

 

Q

I am noticing some new things ("buzzing feet" ring any bells?) but I am utterly ignorant of this energy movement stuff.  I am impatient to learn of it, the basics at least until I can find a teacher somewhere.

 

A

The most important thing about any of this energy stuff is to let it flow as freely as possible.  if your feet buzz it could be either returning blood circulation, or, energy getting through where it could not before.  You only tend to 'feel' the energy when it is moving in ways or places it hasn't before, the unblocking.  When it flows freely you tend not to feel it;  (there are exceptions, orgasm is one, and when you deliberately try to cultivate energy as in Kundalini Yoga).

Until a teacher is found, concentrate on adjusting you posture so it feels more open.  You can go in to a standard sitting meditation posture, eyes closed, then, without actually moving,  mentally wander round you body and "feel" the bits that feel tense.  Then, slowly (very slowly) make small (very small) adjustments and compare the before and after.  Don't do this too much.  If you concentrate on one part of your body too much, energy will get blocked there.  Eventually you can fine tune your awareness of body tension and can learn how to release it at will, using small fine posture adjustments, and doing them quite quickly, anywhere and at anytime.  it takes practice though, and there are no short-cuts.  unless you start slow and small, you will miss things.

 


Q

I can see from just a few nights of formal sitting again that this will teach a whole new level of patience!  I can hardly sit still when feeling that tension, always urging to move around quickly to release it because it is so intense, sometimes painful.  I am growing with fascination of it, of movement, body energy, and intend to stick with trying to learn what I can from it even if I don't find a teacher.  Slow and small - right.

 

A

If the tension is that painful, move !  View tension as a valuable pointer to what needs sorting next.  They are not an obstacle, they are a gateway.

How do you sit?  Are you sitting on the floor crossed legged?  If you are, sit in a chair, you will be less tense,  it's just as good, if not better for westerners.  Tension is "you" holding your body in a certain way.  Why do "you" do it?  -  habit and protection!  As the tension (blocked energy) is released so will deep feelings.  Be prepared.

 


Q

The frustrating thing is that the tension remains no matter how I move, little, lot, twist, lean, to, for, side to side.  Maybe I am confusing the strain of weak muscles for holding tension/blocked energy??  Currently I sit on edge of bed, crossed legged feet on floor.  It is too uncomfortable on floor - legs go to sleep I should try the chair now and check the difference it makes with this.

Hmmmm.  I've noticed that when I stand I hold/tense my shoulders up, severely.  I feel as if I'm slouching grossly when consciously releasing that holding while standing.  I feel as if I'm on the right track too  -  inside, outside - that distinction is dissolving somewhat at least.

I feel that everything will be ok from now (past week or so) on.

 

A

"I feel that everything will be ok from now (past week or so) on"

Watch out !

I wrote this about sitting :  "Find an ordinary dining room chair, sit and then see if you knees are slightly lower than your hips - that is, your thighs will point downwards just a bit.

Use cushions to adjust your sitting height.

Do not lean back; your back must be unsupported.

Put your hands on your knees, then draw them back until your arms and shoulders feel comfortable. (If your hands are too close to your body then your lower back will get tense; too far forward and you will eventually slump).

Do not try to block out or ignore any background sounds. If the phone rings, just ignore it, don't disconnect it. If an intrusion is so great that you practice, then try again later. If the intrusion is not so great, then work on ignoring it. You ignore it by focussing on the technique.

Close your eyes. Keep them lightly closed throughout. Open them as soon as the sesstion ends. Do not give into temptation and linger . . . . . "

The tensions of 'holding the body' are done subconsciously , energy builds up because of the tense muscles.  when the muscles relax, the energy will flow.  As you know, true relaxing is not the same as slumping, as poor posture blocks the energy as well.  Watch out for impatience.  there are no short cuts,  just keep at it.  Get the sitting in the chair as right as you can, then small slow body adjustments, nudging you to better posture.  A little better every day.  (That’s a LITTLE better, don't push too h ard; that is just your mind trying to grab centre stage again).

 


Q

I knew you would flag that one!  I flagged it myself.  What I meant by it was that I have a general sense that I will be able to handle myself ok from now on, not feeling so afraid of stuff coming up and immobilising me anymore in other words.

I do not know where the "session ends"  -  do I end it when I no longer feel tension? For the most part I've been ending it when I get too sleepy or otherwise cannot continue for discomfort.

All this seems like rocket science to me!!! it's disturbing, now at least, to know so little about my own body.

 

A

You wrote:

"For the most part I've been ending it when I get too sleepy or otherwise cannot continue for discomfort."

All sessions should have a regular time. find your self an   unobtrusive timekeeper.  (ie, something that won't make you jump when the session is over.)  It is VERY important that the sessions you have are regular timewise. you can meditate 20 times a day if that is what's happening for you, but do that in 20, 30 minute sessions, or 10, 1 hour sessions, whatever.  Your mind will feed on the 'irregular' and make your overall practice harder if you don't do this.  it is ok to spontaneously go into a meditation, if the 'spirit moves'.  Keep the main sessions in a regular time format.  (This is not just me, it's standard advice you would get anywhere).  Concerning tension, don't hold a meditation if the tension is too great (that is, painful).  Instead of one 15 minute session that causes pain, start off by doing 3 five minute sessions till the tension is released.  Then, build back up to 15 minutes, or however this works out for you.

You wrote:

" . . . what I meant by it was that I have a general sense that I will be able to handle myself ok ".

I am glad you feel better about this, but this will not be really true for you, till you no longer need to tell anyone about it.  One day, you will realise that the need to talk about it at all, will have gone.

 

Q

My first reaction was to ask you, "why is this so?". but, I know . . . .

I am noticing these subtle hints of mind's motivations for volunteering information, from others, but I have difficulty noticing mine . . . . very subtle.   I get confused and stuck, not knowing how to respond without offending as well as not going along with it.

I suppose when I see mine own clearly this also become more clear too...

 

A

Hello.      Nice to meet you.

 

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Seeing who we are

 

Q

"What you are looking for you are looking with", (Meister Eckhardt).

This is one of those sayings which I have sat with for great lengths of time. I intuitively accept it as true, but still need to really realise it.  How does the self, see itself? How do we look with what we are looking for?

 

A

We can get hung up on words here, we could equally say, listen; (as some Zen people do.  Ryonen - " . . .only listen to the pines when no wind blows")

We could say we "hold an attention".

Zen people have also said:
      "as a finger cannot touch itself
       so a thought
       cannot see itself"

All this (for me) is really about the expectation that release from suffering will somehow deliver a new self.   We look with what we are and do not "see" what we are, because that is not what we want, or, it is not what we "think" we want.

Through the intentional act of looking-all-the-time (Constancy), the mind slowly looses its centre stage domination.   Other feelings and perceptions emerge from the wings where they have always been.   This is analogy is not so good, as it does not have 'process' implied, but it will do I guess.

We cannot just intend to move the mind from centre stage, as the mind takes this very intention and uses it, subverts it,  to build better defences.  Constancy moves it (eventually) and when it does, the whole thing is glimpsed and not just what the mind "tells" us.  This, is how we look with what we are looking for.

 


Q

So simple it seems a practical joke but yet seeing this is so difficult.  There are moments of "Eureka!"  They come out of the blue like a sudden wind.  But my socks are still on.   Constancy has become a lot more consistent, stronger feelings are still more difficult to watch, especially the intense ones: incredibly hard not to hold on to the really intensely good ones.

 

A

It does get easier to watch eventually but the intensity gets stronger too.  As does the speed at which the feelings flash through.  Don't worry about the struggle trying not to hold on to good ones, it's impossible to do this anyway, so just concentrate, as always, on the watching.

 

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What is Deeper

 

Q.

You speak of going deeper of watching deeper feelings but I do not know what you mean?

A.  Concerning "deeper" . . . .  . ever walked by a large lake?  Can you see all the fish in it?  Yet you can see them sometimes when they surface.  You could go fishing but then when you yank them out of the water, they are no longer lake fish but dying silver creatures or lunch.  Maybe you could dive in and go find them in situ but then you have to hold your breath or take your air with you.  You then, are similarly out of your element.  Perhaps you could just watch the water and see them briefly when they surface, and accept how long this might take.  Or  . . . .  you have to find some other way to see the fish that are hidden.   Perhaps you build a radar scanner.   You find a technique that works so you can see the fish.  Our "deeper" feelings have something to tell us but it is not the single fact of each one that really matters in the fullness of time but the larger fact that  all feelings are connected.   Even so, we start by looking at them individually as they arise, from the "depths".  Constancy is my radar.  Good luck with yours!

 

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Everything you need is already present

 

"Elephants" in the following refers to a quote from Saadi of Shiraz, that is presented here:

http://www.praxispath.co.uk/2-witness/prax12.htm

"Make no friends with an elephant keeper,

if you have no room for an elephant".  (Saadi )

 


Q.

There's something that I've been wondering about off and on... I've been noticing how so much vice and suffering arises from simple boredom, that  we create so much drama simply because we like drama, but so often, we don't recognize that we are the ones creating it. And it's all in the  service of sustaining the illusion of "meeeeeeeee," of our great importance...

I've been letting go of a lot lately, and noticing how simple and wonderful life actually is. There really doesn't need to be drama. And so much is drama that I didn't realize was drama... Guilt is drama. Maybe the  reason so many Western societies have this guilt-complex built in is just because it makes life more exciting, that people are bored and need guilt to make our day-to-day experiences seem like more of a big deal to ourselves.

But I wonder... Is it okay to just let go of guilt? And I'm not talking  about remorse for wrong deeds here, but something more pervasive and  subtle. Is it okay to just let go of the sense of duty and obligation we build up in certain relationships and situations? I ask because like most people, I've amassed some elephants...

The most prominent one at the moment being a relationship with someone that has become so negative and draining that when I'm honest with myself, the thing I most want is to say "See ya" to this person and be done with it for good. I love this person, but genuinely have no desire to spend time with her or talk to her any more. But out of a sense of duty, I keep persisting in the relationship even though it's dragging me down. And I feel this sense of guilt when I think about just letting it go...

Is this feeling of guilt a reflection that this is an elephant I've taken on and can't simply abandon? Or is it just a form of self-sustaining  drama? Underneath it all, there's a sense of fear... of committing some great moral wrong that I'll never be able to fix. But there's also a sense that this dutiful attitude is a form of dishonesty, and that severing a tie with someone is just an honest and healthy thing to do. I feel compelled to be loyal, to see things through even when they're hard, but I wonder, at what point is loyalty virtuous and at what point is it just  stupid?

I'm not asking you what I should do in this case; I know it's my own responsibility to address the particulars of the situation. But I'm  wondering what your take on the general issue is, of what extent we're obligated to our elephants, and what actually is an elephant, and what isn't. Are elephants things that we have no choice but to accept, circumstances that force themselves on us, or is it possible to take on an  elephant, then at some point when an opportunity opens up, to let it go?  I'm just not sure where morals and wisdom intersect here. Any thoughts you have on the matter would be greatly appreciated...

 

A.

You are going deeper here and rightly so.  It is of course, both simple and difficult.

Firstly, where you have don't know, "hold" your awareness of it in your Constancy practice and perhaps an answer will emerge over time.  This applies to all "don't knows" but especially elephants.  My comments are below "yours":

 

" Is it okay to just let go of the sense of duty and obligation we build up in  certain relationships and situations?"

Yes and no; depends on the situation, case by case basis, no easy short-cuts.

 

" . . .a relationship with someone that has become so negative and draining that when I'm honest with myself, the thing I most want is to say "See ya""

You must address this "draining" and the want to say "see ya".  It is the only way to fully respect the other.  Thing is, can they handle it?   Do they need your full truth?  If they do, give it to them.   You only need to protect those you think (or suspect) are morally or psychologically vulnerable.  Your need to be truthful should not hurt another unless it is unavoidable.  Bottom line : full respect requires full truth.  Another may not understand that by ending your relationship or association, you are respecting yourself and them.  Does you elephant involve educating them?   If it does, do it.  if not, just make it as clear as you can.  Keep it simple.  Duty is good; habit is bad, care is good, avoidance of difficulty is bad.  This is stuff you know of course but some things need restating.

 

" . . .  but I wonder, at what  point is loyalty virtuous and at what point is it just stupid?"

You might provide the trigger for them to grow as you present your truth to them.  Or, they might then go and kill themselves.  How high are the stakes?   Through your Constancy (or equivalent), balance care and full respect.  Loyalty can never be stupid if you can manifest clarity in each moment.

 

"Are elephants things that we have no choice but to accept, circumstances that force themselves on us, or is it possible to take on an elephant, then at some point when an opportunity opens up, to let it go?"

There is always choice, that makes the fullest respect so meaningful.   It is not about "opportunity"  but seeing clearly the balance between care and respect.  If you cannot see it, "hold" it in your practice, look harder, till you do see it.

 

" . . . . Underneath it all, there's a sense of fear... of committing some great moral  wrong "

Yes  . . . .   just fear, nothing special.  By trying to help a thousand people, the confused philanthropist helped them all but only to a shallow depth.   By focussing on a few, he/she helped those few to a greater depth.   Which is better, the many or the few?  We might try to do both and that is a matter of balance.  But often, we just do what we can.   "Morals and wisdom" are not separate things, save for semantic purposes.  I know what you mean but let them hang out together in a simple mix.  Your hesitation and care over this issue does you credit.  Everything you need is already present.  if you cannot see it yet, watch till you can, and you will.

 

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Others

 

Q.

I had been thinking this question for the longest time  -  does it matter if a partner doesn't practice or understand what we practice?   What is your experience with relationships with people who are generally intolerant or even unimaginative of what you know to be true?  I care for my partner but I don't really need him . . .  in a way this sets me free, but doesn't feel like love.  I am freer in this aspect I suppose because all I need to be obsessed about is Constancy. But I still feel the need to tell somebody.

 

A.

You wrote:

"does it matter if a partner doesn't practice or understand what we practice?"

We have to watch out for 'ideal partner' syndrome.  You could use the construct of an ideal partner you have made (and we all make one) and miss what's really happening.  This answer may irritate you but, go with the love you find.

I am lucky, indeed, very lucky.  I have a partner, although she is not into Praxis or Zen, she is interested in similar areas.  She is a practicing psychotherapist so we have much in common.  I would demand of a partner, that he or she respects my concerns and interests.  And if I fell in love with someone who did not, then my love life would be less happy.  So be it . . . . .

Love can make you soar but cannot set you free.  "Free" is a tricky concept and needs much unpacking but I have a simple approach to it,   I would choose love over freedom any day.

Guilt is a killer, it is best not to maintain aspects of a relationship motivated by guilt.  As soon as we try and be tactical with love, it goes wrong.  Be clear, be honest, take any pain that follows but this kind of clarity is the only way to show complete respect to another.  There are times when you will choose not to share some of your feelings, in order to spare hurt in another.  This is ok but you must completely accept any elephants that follow as a result.  {{ "elephants" here referring to the Saddi quote above }}

Do you deserve love?

I know you do.  I hope you get to feel that you do.

 

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Feelings disappear

 

Q.

When I have a disturbing emotion and I look at it, put my attention on it (pour every shred of attention I can muster on it) . . .  it tends to disappear (by that I mean the symptoms or feelings).  I'm not sure whether this is because I'm distracting myself from it (shifting focus) or when I look at the actual emotion and sensation it goes away because it inherently doesn't exist or  is empty or whatever?    I wonder perhaps if I'm repressing what I'm feeling in someway?  It doesn't feel wrong.  In fact it feels quite natural.  When I experience anger and I look at it (when I'm present enough not to get overrun by it in actual fact), turn my attention on it, it drops away.  I look at it,  explore it, and it subsides.  It's like it's never there.  Why is this?

 

A.

You are right to side with caution about the feelings slipping away when you focus on them.  It feels ok to you because it is ok.  It is unlikely that you are setting up some new repression, more likely noting patterns that are already present but becoming more visible.  Even so, caution is needed.  Feelings are deep and mysterious, and our Self Image (SI) always ready to co-opt in some new subtle ways.  The remedy is always the same, returning to the watching.

"I look at it, explore it, and it subsides.  It's like it's never there"

This is good and  shows your Constancy is settling and becoming deeper.  Feelings come and go, as is their way.  Our SI sets up continuity; feelings don't need it, they come and go and do not remain.  You cannot hold on to a feeling, once it is gone, it becomes a memory only.   The memory could trigger a new feeling but it will be a new feeling.  Constancy reveals the workings of the SI so when the continuity slips sometimes, it can be a bit uncomfortable.   No worries; keep on watching.

"when I look at the actual emotion and sensation it goes away because it inherently doesn't exist or is empty or whatever??"

Keep the Constancy as sharp as you can, then when you directly experience "inherent emptiness", you will be clear.   All feelings go . . . .  and then they come again.  We watch their arrival and departure . . . . . . .

 

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What does it all mean ?

 

Q.

So, what does it all mean then, what's the secret ?

 

A.

The meaning of life, the secret of life  . . . . . has become a cliché for us here in the west, we tend to cover our embarrassment about it with humour or scorn.   I also know joke about it  . . . . . . .

A seeker went to a master and said:

"Master, please, please tell me the secret of life ! "

The master said:

"Alas, I am sorry, I cannot tell you the secret of life".

The seeker, who had travelled far and suffered much, was very upset and wailed:

"Why not? "

The master looked all round and leaned in to whisper in the seeker's ear:

"Because   . . . . . . . .    it's a secret".

 

The real joke is on all of us  -  because of course, it is the most important thing.  More important than life or death, because death is inevitable but finding the truth is not.   I constructed the Praxis Wholething Statement to field this question:

 

We wake up and

find we want the truth.

 

Finding out about ourselves

and finding truth are the same thing.

 

In presenting ourselves to others

we put ourselves on the journey

of finding out everything else . . . . . . . . . . .

 

Love is part of the last bit of course.

 


Q.

So are you saying that, the meaning of life is about being with people?

 

A.

"Being"   . . . . .  is the crucial word here.  What you mean, when you talk of the "meaning" of life, will turn out to be a gateway.   Process, not arrival  -   journey, not destination.  

You already have everything you need.  All you have to do is  . . . . . .    look

 

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